#1 2024-05-31 20:46

Faiakes
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Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

Hi all

It's been more than 10 years since I last helped but I'd like to pitch in.

I noticed that when doing upper case of lower case Greek characters, ReNamer tries to keep the punctuation marks, which is not how it works in Greek.

Upper Case Greek characters need to be devoid of punctuation, it should be only the letters themselves.

The only exception is when the lower case letter has a ΅ or a ¨.
Then only the ¨ transfers to upper case form (and it is always an i, so it becomes Ϊ).

Easy, no? smile

Reference topic: Looking for Greek Translit

Last edited by Faiakes (2024-05-31 20:47)

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#2 2024-06-04 08:35

den4b
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Re: Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

Hi, and welcome back!

Can you clarify if you are talking about the built-in Greek translit alphabet, as found in the latest version of ReNamer, or some other mechanism?

Can you provide some examples to better understand the issue?

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#3 2024-06-08 12:37

Faiakes
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Re: Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

Hello Denis

Nice to hear from you again!

OK, I have included an example with images.

The images are in order:

1 - Original file
2- UPPER CASE rule
3 - Incorrect output (for Greek UPPER CASE)
4 - Manually corrected output (for Greek UPPER CASE)

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#4 2024-06-13 17:59

den4b
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Re: Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

So, according to your example screenshots, you have this:

ΑΡΟΝ & Ελένη Φουρέιρα – Γδύσου

Then you apply ReNamer's upper case conversion to get this:

ΑΡΟΝ & ΕΛΈΝΗ ΦΟΥΡΈΙΡΑ – ΓΔΎΣΟΥ

But that is somehow incorrect, and the correct conversion should be this:

ΑΡΟΝ & ΕΛΕΝΗ ΦΟΥΡΕΙΡΑ – ΓΔΥΣΟΥ

I'm not an expert in Greek language, so I can't determine which one is more correct or wrong, but what is puzzling is that any case conversion tool that I tried produced results identical to ReNamer. That is including the Windows operating system itself.

Anyway, one way to get your desired result is to strip all diacritics using the Clean Up rule.

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#5 2024-06-14 19:25

Faiakes
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Re: Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

Hi Dennis

Yes, that is correct.
When Greeks upper case their letters they no longer apply accent marks.

I hadn't thought of the Clean Up rule, you are right.

Thanks

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#6 2024-06-20 16:33

den4b
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Re: Greek transliteration with punctuation marks

Faiakes wrote:

When Greeks upper case their letters they no longer apply accent marks.

Is this something that has changed recently?

If you can, please provide an official reference that supports this statement.

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